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Church, family and country music
by Jennifer Nine
from UK e-magazine Music365, 16 March 2000
This interview was partly available in Realplayer-video format. All copyrights: Music 365-UK 2000.
From 2001, Top of the Pops took over the Music 365-UK. Which resulted in the fact that all ram-files of this interview are no longer available.
"I am a poor wayfaring stranger.
Travelling through a world of woe
Ain't no sickness, toil nor danger
In that bright land to which I go..."
From the earnest '50s beatniks through Nick Cave and the
Violent Femmes to the alt.country neo-traditionalists of the
last decade, there's never been a shortage of serious young
things wanting to duplicate the flavour and fervour of the
high, lonesome, raw-knuckled sound of the American
gospel-folk-old timey tradition. Many choose themselves
for the job, in other words, but precious few are chosen.
Denver's 16 Horsepower on the other hand, whose cover of the
traditional 'Wayfaring Stranger' on their latest album is as
haunting as it is apposite, are about as chosen as they
come. Not only do singer/songwriter/guitar, banjo and
bandoneon player David Eugene Edwards' keeningly sung,
scripture-soaked words spring from genuine Christian belief,
but the band's ghostly, jangling, restless intensity is as
fervent as the wayfaring-stranger sentiments behind it.
The title of their third and strongest album, 'Secret South', hints
at nostalgia for a vanished America. Even as it incorporates more
modern touches than its predecessors - 'Sackcloth And Ashes'
[1996] and 'Low Estate' [1998] - in comparison to anything else
being released in 2000, it's still as eerily of the pre-electric and
pre-ironic past as it is of the present.
365's JENNIFER NINE (and DV cameraman/editor KEIRON
FLYNN) met a solemn, friendly David Eugene Edwards and
drummer and wayfaring Parisian Jean-Yves Tola, and Jennifer
began by asking them whether people still find it odd that their
particular kind of revivalism goes a little farther back than
Hendrix...
David Eugene Edwards: "I think in America, the past is
definitely something to get away from and perhaps that's the
whole reason they have got away from it; they were dissatisfied
with it in the first place. Everything looks better and more
exciting in the future; it's always been that way. The grass is
always greener. No one is satisfied with what they have. I
suppose the title of the new album is about the opposite view;
it's not specifically about the South, it's just about that simpler
life. And as much as we look forward, everybody at one time in
their lives has romanticised about living a simpler life."
Even if the past was often cruel and restrictive...
David: "Well, you know, New York City today is cruel and
restrictive as well; it's just a different kind of cruelty. Living a
simpler life is better, I guarantee you. I don't wish I lived 150
years ago, but that doesn't mean I'm not really attracted to a lot
of things from that time. [Laughs] And I definitely think the
industrial revolution was a big mistake..."
Your live show is very simple, but intense and almost otherworldly. I've seen
more than one person who knows very little about the bluegrass, old-timey or
mountain music roots of what you do, but who watches your set and comes
away looking like he or she has seen a ghost.
David: "I think there's a collective unconscious for music as much as for anything
else; things that hit you that you never really knew would hit you. Music has that
effect because, whether you know it or not, those memories are somewhere in you
and once you see and hear it, you think, 'Boy, this is actually reaching me and I
don't even know why'."
Which can also make people uncomfortable: along with the critical praise you
have attracted, some have assumed that what you do - from the use of
old-fashioned instruments alongside electric ones, to the religious references,
to the occasional traditional cover - must be schtick.
David: "Sure. But people are constantly running from the past, and disguising their
fear of what they're running from by looking only for what's new and different, but it
never really works because the past is always there. People are the same now as
they were back then... different things surface and some things become more
important than other things at different times and as history changes, but people
don't change. People have been the same forever."
Jean-Yves Tola: "I am a very good example of that. I am not American; I grew up in
France. But it doesn't mean that when I hear very traditional American music, it
doesn't affect me almost as strongly as it does David, because it's still part of me
somewhere."
Your last album, 'Low Estate', was recorded in a Louisiana swamp with PJ
Harvey collaborator John Parish. Tell us about the oddly named Hamilton
Glory Lodge, the place where you recorded and produced 'Secret South'.
David: "It was great, a lot of fun. We just rented a big lodge, a big log building in
Blue River, Colorado, about two hours from Denver, up in the mountains. It's a church
retreat building during the ski season; different Christian groups from all over the US
rent it. It's a big place, so it was perfect for us. We were surrounded by shag pile,
actually; it was very '70s, because that's when it had last been decorated, so we
built a floor of wood for the drums in one room."
The album begins with a song called 'Clogger', and you do your fair share of
pounding shoes on wooden boards, onstage, yourself, when you're not sitting
down on a stool with a mandolin. What is it about you and clogs, then?
David: "I don't know, actually. [Laughs] I just find it a good metaphor for things...
and I love flooring. I love wood."
Did you do a lot of clog dancing when you were growing up?
David: "I've never danced. It was pretty much against the rules. You didn't do that
sort of dancing. Nobody danced - nobody that I grew up with, anyhow. I think it's
the music itself which has created whatever has attracted me to it. Obviously you've
got to have the music before you have the dance. It's just a certain type of music.
Music which makes you want to move, which causes you to move that sort of way.
Fairly stiff, but happy at the same time. It's controlled; it's not complete abandon."
You have said that life growing up with your grandfather, who was a Nazarene
preacher, was quite rigid. Some people might imagine that in such an
environment, family dynamics would be more about punishment than
affection. Did you still feel loved?
David: "I think you feel love all the more in these situations than you do if it's all
kind of free and easy. I think the fact that when you have somebody who really
follows a certain path, and really sticks with it, and at the same time loves you even
though you don't follow that path yourself, that means a lot. You know that the love
is serious. You know that the love is real. It's a torrential experience. It's so much
harder to love someone that you don't agree with."
You've grown up with The Bible as the living Word - as opposed to a literary
source or a half-remembered phrase or two - and it turns up frequently in your
writing. This album's no exception, from 'Burning Bush' to the references to a
good shepherd and lost lamb in 'Cinderalley'. Do you ever feel that by using
God's word in your songs, you risk using it too casually?
David: "I guarantee you I'm using it too casually. It's far more important than
anyone realises; words themselves are more important than anybody realises. Yeah.
I'm sure I'm guilty of it, over and over. But the word of God is the word of God. It
doesn't matter if you say it lightly, if you say it in anger, if you say it with love. It
doesn't matter: however you say it, the truth is the truth whether you put it on a
rock or under a rock. I try to just tell it truthfully without using it for selfish
ambition."
As a writer, does God's word act as a spur to creativity?
David: "Sure. God is a Creator, and he gives us the same ability to be creative and
to find the goodness in everything in all different sorts of ways. His word is different
for every person but it's the same. Creativity is a wonderful thing; it's like that
Emmylou Harris song about the deeper well; that's what it's about. You know,
everyone says that religion is boring, church is boring and it's all just a big set of
rules, but in fact, it's more creative than anything you're seeking out that you think
is attractive and is going to satisfy you."
'Secret South' features some fine fiddle performances by your
twelve-year-old daughter, Asher Edwards. Did you plan to have the family on
the record or did it just happen?
David: "Oh, no, I've been planning it for a long time. [Laughs] Yup, I'm breeding
them over at home!"
Jean: "Asher's a great player. I remember talking to David on the phone and hearing
some really wonderful violin music in the background. I asked what record David was
listening to, and he told me it was his daughter. I said, right, she's on! Just get her
ready!"
David: "Families are so important, and there's nothing better than being with your
family and creating something with your family. They keep you down to earth and
keep you a real person... particularly if you tend toward thinking you're more
important than you are."
Plenty of rock performers give the impression that admitting to loving your
wife, as many of your songs do, or even admitting to having a family, is just
not cool.
David: "Oh, I know, but having a [rock and rolI] image is definitely not what we're
after. [Laughs] But, yeah, I've known people who have left their wives just because
they wanted to play music, and because they've figured 'It's never going to happen
to me if I stick with my family.' I know people like that, and they're still trying to
make it, and on top of that, they don't have their wives or families any more either.
You might get a record contract, but you lose what really matters."
Sixteen Horsepower's latest album, 'Secret South', is out on Glitterhouse on
March 27th.
  
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